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He is. He feels, as I think a number of Republicans do, that it would be a disastrous thing politically. These are bright people. They understand politics about as well as anyone. President Bush has been elected twice. Some might argue that he wasn't elected the first time. With the popular vote, he actually wasn't. But he's very savvy politically. He's never going to stand for election again, and he believes this is right for the country. The president is trying to do something very difficult: sustain a war without the support of the American people.
Are you especially sensitive about these wartime decisions because you've been to war?
Certainly going through combat in Vietnam and seeing war up close, seeing friends wounded and killed in front of you, you cannot help but be framed by that experience. When I got to Vietnam, I was a rifleman. I was a private, about as low as you can get. So my frame of reference is very much geared toward the guy at the bottom who's doing the fighting and dying. Jim Webb and I are the only ones in the Senate who had that experience. John McCain served his country differently-he spent five years as a prisoner of war. John Kerry was on a boat for about three months, maybe less. I don't think my experience makes me any better, but it does make me very sober about committing our nation to war. We should never again get into a fiasco like we did in Vietnam. And if we are going to use force, we better make damn sure it is in the national interest.
Which is essentially the "Powell Doctrine." Do you and Colin Powell still talk?
We're very good friends.
Do you think it's hard for him to keep silent these days?
I think it is very hard for him. I think he is greatly tormented by all of this.
Does it surprise you that so many people in the administration who supported this war, didn't have any military experience?
I have never doubted the motives of those who wanted to go to war so badly. I don't question their moral standing.
But you might wonder if they really understand what war is.
Look, it has not gone unnoticed that President Bush served a little time in the National Guard. Secretary Rice never served. Wolfowitz never served. Feith never served. Cheney had five deferments. Rumsfeld might have done something at one time. But the only guy that had any real experience was Colin Powell. And they cut him off. That's just a fact. That's not subjective. That's the way it was.
Does being a veteran also make you sensitive to the administration's approach to interrogation and the use of secret military prisons?
It does, because that's not who America is. We have always, certainly since World War II, had the moral high ground in the
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